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423 Socrates. If we wished to designate that which is above and is light, we should, I fancy, raise our hand towards heaven in imitation of the nature of the thing in question; but if the things to be designated were below or heavy, we should extend our hands towards the ground; and if we wished to mention a galloping horse or any other animal, we should, of course, make our bodily attitudes as much like theirs as possible.
423 Hermogenes. I think you are quite right; there is no other way.
423 Socrates. For the expression of anything, I fancy, would be accomplished by bodily imitation of that which was to be expressed.
423 Hermogenes. Yes.
423 Socrates. And when we wish to express anything by voice or tongue or mouth, will not our expression by these means be accomplished in any given instance when an imitation of something is accomplished by them?
423 Hermogenes. I think that is inevitable.
423 Socrates. A name, then, it appears, is a vocal imitation of that which is imitated, and he who imitates with his voice names that which he imitates.
423 Hermogenes. I think that is correct.
423 Socrates. By Zeus, I do not think it is quite correct, yet, my friend.
423 Hermogenes. Why not?
423 Socrates. We should be obliged to agree that people who imitate sheep and cocks and other animals were naming those which they imitate.
423 Hermogenes. Yes, so we should.
423 Socrates. And do you think that is correct?
423 Hermogenes. No, I do not; but, Socrates, what sort of an imitation is a name?
423 Socrates. In the first place we shall not, in my opinion, be making names, if we imitate things as we do in music, although musical imitation also is vocal; and secondly we shall make no names by imitating that which music imitates. What I mean is this: all objects have sound and shape, and many have color, have they not?
423 Hermogenes. Certainly.
423 Socrates. Well then, the art of naming is not employed in the imitation of those qualities, and has nothing to do with them. The arts which are concerned with them are music and design, are they not?
423 Hermogenes. Yes.

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