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387 Hermogenes. Certainly.

387 Socrates. And speaking is an action, is it not?

387 Hermogenes. Yes.

387 Socrates. Then if a man speaks as he fancies he ought to speak, will he speak rightly, or will he succeed in speaking if he speaks in the way and with the instrument in which and with which it is natural for us to speak and for things to be spoken, whereas otherwise he will fail and accomplish nothing?

387 Hermogenes. I think the way you suggest is the right one.

387 Socrates. Now naming is a part of speaking, for in naming I suppose people utter speech.

387 Hermogenes. Certainly.

387 Socrates. Then is not naming also a kind of action, if speaking is a kind of action concerned with things?

387 Hermogenes. Yes.

387 Socrates. But we saw that actions are not merely relative to us, but possess a separate nature of their own?

387 Hermogenes. True.

387 Socrates. Then in naming also, if we are to be consistent with our previous conclusions, we cannot follow our own will, but the way and the instrument which the nature of things prescribes must be employed, must they not? And if we pursue this course we shall be successful in our naming, but otherwise we shall fail.

387 Hermogenes. I think you are right.

387 Socrates. And again, what has to be cut, we said, has to be cut with something.

387 Hermogenes. Certainly.

387 Socrates. And what has to be woven, has to be woven with something, and what has to be bored, has to be bored with something?

387 Hermogenes. Certainly.

387 Socrates. And then what has to be named, has to be named with something?

388 Hermogenes. True.

388 Socrates. And what is that with which we have to bore?

388 Hermogenes. A borer.

388 Socrates. And that with which we weave?

388 Hermogenes. A shuttle.

388 Socrates. And that with which we must name?

388 Hermogenes. A name.

388 Socrates. Right. A name also, then, is a kind of instrument.

388 Hermogenes. Certainly.

388 Socrates. Then if I were to ask What instrument is the shuttle? Is it not that with which we weave?

388 Hermogenes. Yes.

388 Socrates. And what do we do when we weave? Do we not separate the mingled threads of warp and woof?

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