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434 Socrates. In the same way, names can never be like anything unless those elements of which the names are composed exist in the first place and possess some kind of likeness to the things which the names imitate; and the elements of which they are composed are the letters, are they not?
434 Cratylus. Yes.
434 Socrates. Then I must now ask you to consider with me the subject which Hermogenes and I discussed a while ago. Do you think I am right in saying that rho is expressive of speed, motion, and hardness, or not?
434 Cratylus. You are right.
434 Socrates. And lambda is like smoothness, softness, and the other qualities we mentioned?
434 Cratylus. Yes.
434 Socrates. You know, of course, that we call the same thing σκληρότης (hardness) which the Eretrians call σκληρότηρ?
434 Cratylus. Certainly.
434 Socrates. Have rho and sigma both a likeness to the same thing, and does the final rho mean to them just what the sigma means to us, or is there to one of us no meaning?
434 Cratylus. They mean the same to both.
434 Socrates. In so far as rho and sigma are alike, or in so far as they are not?
434 Cratylus. In so far as they are alike.
434 Socrates. And are they alike in all respects?
434 Cratylus. Yes; at least for the purpose of expressing motion equally.
434 Socrates. But how about the lambda in σκληρότης? Does it not express the opposite of hardness?
434 Cratylus. Well, perhaps it has no right to be there, Socrates; it may be like the cases that came up in your talk with Hermogenes, when you removed or inserted letters where that was necessary. I think you did right; and in this case perhaps we ought to put a rho in place of the lambda.
434 Socrates. Excellent. However, do we not understand one another when anyone says σκληρόν, using the present pronunciation, and do you not now know what I mean?
434 Cratylus. Yes, but that is by custom, my friend.

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