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Φίληβος Plato
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20 Pro. How is that, and what is the recollection about?
20 Soc. I remember now having heard long ago in a dream, or perhaps when I was awake, some talk about pleasure and wisdom to the effect that neither of the two is the good, but some third thing, different from them and better than both. However, if this be now clearly proved to us, pleasure is deprived of victory for the good would no longer be identical with it. Is not that true?
20 Pro. It is.
20 Soc. And we shall have, in my opinion, no longer any need of distinguishing the kinds of pleasure. But the progress of the discussion will make that still clearer.
20 Pro. Excellent! Just go on as you have begun.
20 Soc. First, then, let us agree on some further small points.
20 Pro. What are they?
20 Soc. Is the nature of the good necessarily perfect or imperfect?
20 Pro. The most perfect of all things, surely, Socrates.
20 Soc. Well, and is the good sufficient?
20 Pro. Of course; so that it surpasses all other things in sufficiency.
20 Soc. And nothing, I should say, is more certain about it than that every intelligent being pursues it, desires it, wishes to catch and get possession of it, and has no interest in anything in which the good is not included.
20 Pro. There is no denying that.
20 Soc. Let us, then, look at the life of pleasure and the life of wisdom separately and consider and judge them.
20 Pro. How do you mean?
21 Soc. Let there be no wisdom in the life of pleasure and no pleasure in the life of wisdom. For if either of them is the good, it cannot have need of anything else, and if, either be found to need anything, we can no longer regard it as our true good.
21 Pro. No, of course not.
21 Soc. Shall we then undertake to test them through you?
21 Pro. By all means.
21 Soc. Then answer.
21 Pro. Ask.
21 Soc. Would you, Protarchus, be willing to live your whole life in the enjoyment of the greatest pleasures?
21 Pro. Of course I should.
21 Soc. Would you think you needed anything further, if you were in complete possession of that enjoyment?
21 Pro. Certainly not.
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