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Φίληβος

Φίληβος Plato
35 Pro. Of what sort of life are you speaking, and in what affections does it exist?
35 Soc. In the affections of fulness and emptiness and all which pertain to the preservation and destruction of living beings, and I am thinking that if we fall into one of these we feel pain, which is followed by joy when we change to the other.
35 Pro. That is true.
35 Soc. And what if a man is between the two?
35 Pro. How between them?
36 Soc. Because of his condition, he is suffering, but he remembers the pleasures the coming of which would bring him an end of his pain; as yet, however, he does not possess them. Well then, shall we say that he is between the affections, or not?
36 Pro. Let us say so.
36 Soc. Shall we say that he is wholly pained or wholly pleased?
36 Pro. No, by Zeus, but he is afflicted with a twofold pain; he suffers in body from his sensation, and in soul from expectation and longing.
36 Soc. How could you, Protarchus, speak of twofold pain? Is not an empty man sometimes possessed of a sure hope of being filled, and sometimes, on the contrary, quite hopeless?
36 Pro. Certainly.
36 Soc. And do you not think that when he has a hope of being filled he takes pleasure in his memory, and yet at the same time, since he is at the moment empty, suffers pain?
36 Pro. It cannot be otherwise.
36 Soc. At such a time, then, a man, or any other animal, has both pain and pleasure at once.
36 Pro. Yes, I suppose so.
36 Soc. And when an empty man is without hope of being filled, what then? Is not that the time when the twofold feeling of pain would arise, which you just now observed and thought the pain simply was twofold?
36 Pro. Very true, Socrates.
36 Soc. Let us make use of our examination of those affections for a particular purpose.
36 Pro. For what purpose?
36 Soc. Shall we say that those pleasures and pains are true or false, or that some are true and others not so?
36 Pro. But, Socrates, how can there be false pleasures or pains?
36 Soc. But, Protarchus, how can there be true and false fears, or true and false expectations, or true and false opinions?

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