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Φαῖδρος Plato
264 Socrates. Then, to spare your feelings, let us say no more of this discourse—and yet I think there were many things in it which would be useful examples to consider, though not exactly to imitate—and let us turn to the other discourses; for there was in them, I think, something which those who wish to investigate rhetoric might well examine.
265 Phaedrus. What do you mean?
265 Socrates. The two discourses were opposites; for one maintained that the lover, and the other that the non-lover, should be favored.
265 Phaedrus. And they did it right manfully.
265 Socrates. I thought you were going to speak the truth and say madly; however, that is just what I had in mind. We said that love was a kind of madness, did we not?
265 Phaedrus. Yes.
265 Socrates. And that there are two kinds of madness, one arising from human diseases, and the other from a divine release from the customary habits.
265 Phaedrus. Certainly.
265 Socrates. And we made four divisions of the divine madness, ascribing them to four gods, saying that prophecy was inspired by Apollo, the mystic madness by Dionysus, the poetic by the Muses, and the madness of love, inspired by Aphrodite and Eros, we said was the best. We described the passion of love in some sort of figurative manner, expressing some truth, perhaps, and perhaps being led away in another direction, and after composing a somewhat plausible discourse, we chanted a sportive and mythic hymn in meet and pious strain to the honor of your lord and mine, Phaedrus, Love, the guardian of beautiful boys.
265 Phaedrus. Yes, and I found it very pleasant to hear.
265 Socrates. Here let us take up this point and see how the discourse succeeded in passing from blame to praise.
265 Phaedrus. What do you mean?
265 Socrates. It seems to me that the discourse was, as a whole, really sportive jest; but in these chance utterances were involved two principles, the essence of which it would be gratifying to learn, if art could teach it.
265 Phaedrus. What principles?

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