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125 Soc. But whatever do you mean by being able to rule over men who make use of men?
125 Alc. I mean ruling over men in the city who share in it as fellow-citizens, and do business with each other.
125 Soc. Well, what art is this? Suppose I should ask you over again, as I did just now, what art makes men know how to rule over fellow-sailors?
125 Alc. The pilot’s.
125 Soc. And what knowledge—to repeat what was said a moment ago—makes them rule over their fellow-singers?
125 Alc. That which you just mentioned, the chorus-teacher’s.
125 Soc. Well now, what do you call the knowledge of one’s fellow-citizens?
125 Alc. Good counsel, I should say, Socrates.
125 Soc. Well, and is the pilot’s knowledge evil counsel?
125 Alc. No, no.
125 Soc. Rather good counsel?
126 Alc. So I should think, for the preservation of his passengers.
126 Soc. Quite right. And now, for what is the good counsel of which you speak?
126 Alc. For the better management and preservation of the city.
126 Soc. And what is it that becomes present or absent when we get this better management and preservation? If, for example, you should ask me, What is it that becomes present or absent when the body is better managed and preserved?—I should reply, Health becomes present, and disease absent. Do not you think so too?
126 Alc. Yes.
126 Soc. And if, again, you asked me, What becomes present in a better condition of the eyes?—I should answer in just the same way, Sight becomes present, and blindness absent. So, in the case of the ears, deafness is caused to be absent, and hearing to be present, when they are improved and getting better treatment.
126 Alc. Correct.
126 Soc. Well then, what is it that becomes present or absent when a state is improved and has better treatment and management?
126 Alc. To my mind, Socrates, friendship with one another will be there, while hatred and faction will be absent.
126 Soc. Now, by friendship do you mean agreement or disagreement?
126 Alc. Agreement.
126 Soc. And what art is it that causes states to agree about numbers?
126 Alc. Arithmetic.
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