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Ἀλκιβιάδης βʹ

Ἀλκιβιάδης βʹ Plato
138 Soc. Alcibiades, are you on your way to offer a prayer to the god?
138 Alc. I am, certainly, Socrates.
138 Soc. You seem, let me say, to have a gloomy look, and to keep your eyes on the ground, as though you were pondering something.
138 Alc. And what might one ponder, Socrates?
138 Soc. The greatest of questions, Alcibiades, as I believe. For tell me, in Heaven’s name, do you not think that the gods sometimes grant in part, but in part refuse, what we ask of them in our private and public prayers, and gratify some people, but not others?
138 Alc. I do, certainly.
138 Soc. Then you would agree that one should take great precautions against falling unawares into the error of praying for great evils in the belief that they are good, while the gods happen to be disposed to grant freely what one is praying for? Just as Oedipus, they say, suddenly prayed that his sons might divide their patrimony with the sword: it was open to him to pray that his present evils might by some means be averted, but he invoked others in addition to those which he had already. Wherefore not only were those words of his accomplished, but many other dread results therefrom, which I think there is no need to recount in detail.
138 Alc. But you have instanced a madman, Socrates: why, do you suppose that anyone could bring himself, while he was in a sound state, to utter such a prayer?
138 Soc. Do you regard madness as the opposite of wisdom?
138 Alc. Certainly I do.
138 Soc. And there are some men whom you regard as unwise, and others as wise?
138 Alc. Why, yes.
138 Soc. Come then, let us consider who these people are. We have admitted that some are unwise, some wise, and others mad.
138 Alc. Yes, we have.
138 Soc. And again, there are some in sound health?
138 Alc. There are.
138 Soc. And others also who are in ill-health?
139 Alc. Quite so.
139 Soc. And they are not the same?
139 Alc. No, indeed.
139 Soc. And are there any others besides, who are found to be in neither state?
139 Alc. No, to be sure.
139 Soc. For a human being must needs be either sick or not sick.
139 Alc. I agree.
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