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Κρατύλος Plato
429 Cratylus. No; at that point I cease to agree.
429 Socrates. Then you do not think that some laws are better, and some worse?
429 Cratylus. No, I do not.
429 Socrates. And you do not, it appears, think that one name is better, and another worse?
429 Cratylus. No, I do not.
429 Socrates. Then all names are correct?
429 Cratylus. All that are really names.
429 Socrates. How about the name of our friend Hermogenes, which was mentioned a while ago? Shall we say that it is not his name at all, unless he belongs to the race of Hermes, or that it is his name, but is incorrect?
429 Cratylus. I think, Socrates, that it is not his name at all; it appears to be his, but is really the name of some one else who possesses the nature that makes the name clear.
429 Socrates. And when anyone says that our friend is Hermogenes, is he not even speaking falsely? For perhaps it is not even possible to say that he is Hermogenes, if he is not.
429 Cratylus. What do you mean?
429 Socrates. Do you mean to say that it is impossible to speak falsehood at all? For there are, my dear Cratylus, many who do so, and who have done so in the past.
429 Cratylus. Why, Socrates, how could anyone who says that which he says, say that which is not? Is not falsehood saying that which is not?
429 Socrates. Your reasoning is too clever for me at my age, my friend. However, tell me this: Do you think it is possible to speak falsehood, but not to say it?
429 Cratylus. Neither to speak nor to say it.
429 Socrates. Nor utter it or use it as a form of address? For instance, if some one should meet you in hospitable fashion, should grasp your hand and say, Well met, my friend from Athens, son of Smicrion, Hermogenes, would he be saying or speaking or uttering or addressing these words not to you, but to Hermogenes—or to nobody?
429 Cratylus. I think, Socrates, the man would be producing sounds without sense.
430 Socrates. Even that reply is welcome; for I can ask whether the words he produced would be true, or false, or partly true and partly false. Even that would suffice.

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